Wednesday, November 28, 2007

Palestine vs. Israel (Who Has The Right For The Land?!)

Although i am really busy today, but some things just get on my nerves...

This one is for all the Israelis, Pro-Israelis, or the ones who believe Israel has more right for the land of Palestine than Muslims or Arabs.

I wrote about this in different posts before , so i will copy and past some of the arguments used by Israelis and co. and the comments on them...

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Palestine (Canaan):

Canaanites are mentioned in the Bible, Mesopotamian and Ancient Egyptian texts, and have always normally been considered an ethnic group radiating out of Lebanon; though some recent sources, without specifying any evidence, have asserted an origin on the Arabian Peninsula.

Comment: Whether from Arabia or Lebanon, this proves our right to the place before the Israelis, or what?!!!!

Canaan is mentioned in a document from the 18th century BC found in the ruins of Mari, a former Sumerian outpost in Syria. Apparently Canaan at this time existed as a distinct political entity.
During the 2nd millennium BC, Ancient Egyptian texts use the term Canaan to refer to an Egyptian province, whose boundaries generally corroborate the definition of Canaan found in the Hebrew Bible, bounded to the west by the Mediterranean Sea, to the north in the vicinity of Hamath in Syria, to the east by the Jordan Valley.

In the centuries preceding the appearance of the Biblical Hebrews, Canaan and Syria became tributary to the Egyptian Pharaohs.
Many earlier Egyptian sources also make mention of numerous campaigns conducted in Ka-na-na before Israelites were there.

Comment: Again, Egyptians were there before Biblical Hebrews, maybe we should be the ones to claim Palestine?? Yeah right!!
During the Canaanite Period of the Archaeology of Israel, the cities of Canaan were ruled by vassals of the Egyptian Empire.

The Canaanites are said to have been one of seven regional ethnic divisions or "nations" driven out before the Israelites, Israelis refer to their history like this..

1.1 Canaanite period
1.2 Israelite period (Iron age)
1.3 Persian period
1.4 Hellenistic period
1.5 Roman period
1.6 Byzantine period

Comment: Yet one more time...Canaanites were there first. Cannaites were from Lebanon or Arabia. Egyptians were there before Biblical Hebrews… what else can I say???!!!

From Torah, in "Genesis":

- God appears to Abram and says, "To your descendants I will give this land.

Comment: This means we Arabs and Muslims have the same right. Hagar (the mother of Ishmael) was from Egypt. Ishmael the son of Abraham was brought up among arabs. His decedents were Arabs. And not to forget that Mohammad the Muslim's Prophet was Ishmael's decedent...so we have the same right just like Jews!

- Ishmael is near dying, an angel speaks to Hagar and promises that God will not forget them, but will make of Ishmael a great nation; "Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the skin with water, ... And God was with the lad, and he grew up

Comment: Means that Muslims are the great ones mentioned, since they are the descendants of Ishmael (through their prophet and Ishmael's decedents).
If that is what you believe (historical existence should be what gives someone the right to a place) than i you should go and tell the americans to get out of America, since it belongs HISTORICALLY to the red indians.
Of course you know that if you say that to any american, he'll say you are a complete maniac!

It is not our problem lived there for a while then left for any historical reason. Throughout our history there were jews living amongst us with no problem. that's a fact!

We have no problem with jews living anywhere, the problem is the land that is not theirs! and the humiliation of Palestinians.

  • About The Jewish temple and AL Aqsa Mosque being built on top of it as a spit against Jews (someone actually believes that!) , from the post "Web Stalked!! The Solution... ":
Al-Aqsa was built simply because this spot is\was a KIBLA (center or direction) for all prophet’s (Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and their predecessors included). And since we Muslims are believers of all prophets and we follow Abraham father of all prophets, we simply have this place as a scared place too (3rd most sacred in Islam). It was not for that stupid reason you mentioned! Lol

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To us Muslims and Arabs, the one who has the right for the land is obvious.
But, due to the world we currently live in...

Root analysis and solution:
Israelis to abide to UN and International Court rulings, give back the 1967 land, remove settlements, remove the UNJUST wall of separation around Palestinians, and never enter Palestinian land after that, hopefully then things will change.

Oh and if you want to rant about the Palestinian "terrorists" (as you like to call them) while never calling what the Israeli settlers or army do to Palestinians terrorism.... be my guest.

But remember this: "Never think that humiliating people, taking their land, caging them up behind your notorious wall, prisoning them in the thousands within your prisons, not respecting their sovereignty, killing them.....etc ... all this and they will not retaliate.
Thing is, when they do... we all know what you will call them :\"

So, don’t waste our breath or yours on trying to show us that Israelis are dandy, pinkie, peaceful, and just dudes who want to live in peace…If you are, then act as one!

Read "The Great War For Civilization" (Robert Fisk) and "Palestine, Peace NOT Apartheid" (Jimmy Carter)... maybe you'll get what i mean.

Convinced? made you re-think?

If Yes... good!
If No... I don't really care! spare me the Pro-Israeli comments...not interested!

Mood: 7atgeli galta 2orayeb!

5 comments:

Mohaly said...

Israel took it WAD3 YAD, and the rest of the world said YABKA AL WAD3 KAMA HOWA 3ALEEH WE 3ALA EL MOTADARER, YEKHBAT DEMAGHO FE ATKHAN 7ETA!

to2oli Camp David, Y River, Anapolis, wala 7ata Las Vegas...mafesh 7aga haye3meloha! It is all for the "istehlak el seyasy"

Fadfadation said...

7aga te2ref ta Mohaly :(

Anonymous said...

You could also add the following books:
1) "The Ethnic cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe, an honest and courageous Jewish Israeli Academic/Historian
Who by the way had to leave the so called "only Democracy in the Middle East" due to threats to his life and social and political pressure which I am sure affected his career and livelihood there.

2) "The other side of Israel", By Nathan Susan another honest and courageous Jewsih person who was brought up to question dogma and live by a high moral standard.

I suppose you could also throw in all the books written by Norman Finkelstein and you'll have a good reading list to tidy you over Christmas and the New Year and even Eid al Adha.

Eid Mubarak!

Daniel said...

what's your opinion...? Mine is that Israel should get the land because they were there first, and Israel would be the only safe state in the world for Jews, because everywhere else they are the minority...the palestinians can just move, or just learn to live there...Forget religion for a sec. and just get out of there...

Fadfadation said...

lol Daniel, you are funny.

Please read this part of my post again:
"If that is what you believe (historical existence should be what gives someone the right to a place) than i you should go and tell the americans to get out of America, since it belongs HISTORICALLY to the red indians.
Of course you know that if you say that to any american, he'll say you are a complete maniac!

It is not our problem lived there for a while then left for any historical reason. Throughout our history there were jews living amongst us with no problem. that's a fact!

We have no problem with jews living anywhere, the problem is the land that is not theirs! and the humiliation of Palestinians.
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Hope this delivers the message.